Guilty Pleasures Of The Night... Agent (Season 1)

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Voyage. Welcome to watch this tonight. I'm your host, Dan Bettimore.

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I'm a producer, writer of film
and television and now a podcast producer.

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And despite having every streaming service,
I never know what to watch. So

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anytime I watch something good, I
talk about it on the show. This

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way, you'll never have the same
problem I do. I watched this tonight.

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There's always something good to watch.
Let's get started, all right.

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Today on the show, we're doing
guilty Pleasures of the Night. Agent.

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We have a guest today that I'm
very excited to welcome to the program,

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sort of like long time listener first
time callers. James, I'm so excited

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to have you on the show.
Could you just tell the audience a little

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b about who you are? Hey, my name is James. I am

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I'm just a guy that loves like
movies and TV, like since I was

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a kid, you know, and
I and I'm like, I'm I'm probably

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super nerdy about it because I don't
just watch things. I like, you

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know, I analyzed and I want
to know where I've seen that actor before.

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I wanted to know who directed it, who's the producer on it?

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So I died pretty deep into shows
and movies that like most people probably wouldn't

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do. And my wife finds it
annoying at times, but at the same

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time, she knows, I know
all these things that she will ask me,

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she knows I know the answer.
She said, Oh, my husband

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knows the answer to that. Hey, who's on that show? Baby?

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You know? So I it's a
blessing and encouraged to her. I guess

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you know this is this is a
game that I play with my with my

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dad because my dad never knows anything
about what he's actually watched. He knows

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like one word, one name,
a face, the guy from that thing.

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Oh yes, And I instantly I'm
like, oh, yeah, well

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that's you know such and such thing. Yeah. Oh. We played that

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game at the house here all the
time because my wife is terrible at like

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names, but she just knows it's
that one guy from that one show that

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did the one thing. She didn't
know anything, and if I could put

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that together for she's impressed with it. But you know, I kind of

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know will enough now, you know, I can kind of like, oh,

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I know who you're talking about,
and then sometimes act like I don't

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know, And she was like,
I know, you know what I feel

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like you don't know. It's like
a Jedi mind trick. We're we're excited

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to talk about The Night Agent,
the full season that has dropped. You

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know, James and I both finished
it, and I think we both had

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kind of a similar reaction. Yes
we You sent me a note on Twitter,

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d have on Twitter that I thought
it was hilarious and like, honestly,

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like, I don't know that I
would go this far, but I

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do think that it's like it speaks
to what the conversation we're gonna have,

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which is you said, I have
concluded it as a bad show, but

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I think they know how campy it
is. That being said, I would

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one watch another season. Oh I
hope. I hope they do was doing

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another season. Yeah, I may
pull back a little bit on that statement

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at this point, haven't done a
little bit more analytics on it. That

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was just like in the moment,
that was my reaction though, like I

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think this is a bad show,
but like, but I think they know

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what they're doing. It's not like
like sometimes people make bad product and they

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don't realize that it's bad and they
think it's good and that makes it worse.

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But sometimes people know like, oh, there's things about this that really

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aren't great, but like we kind
of know that, but we're giving this

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other stuff that you that you kind
of like that makes up for it.

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And I kind of feel like that's
what this show does. Does I think

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that I keep using the term guilty
pleasure because what I think is the sort

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of the frog and the boiling pot
of water thing that happens with the show

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is you turn it on. And
I want to be clear. I want

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to make sure I state this clearly. I am obsessed with Sean Ryan.

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The reason that I am in entertainment
media in any form, and I've written

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television, I've written films is because
of Sean Ryan. I watched The Shield

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when I was like, I watched
it probably from when I was like thirteen.

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It's just too young to watch that
show, way too young until like

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college like that. It's when it
came out. It was like appointment television

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for me, and I think it's
the best show of all time. So

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you go into it and there's Sean
Ryan and it's on Netflix, and you

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think it's gonna be like a classic
prestige kind of show, which is takes

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itself very seriously and is made a
certain way. And as you go into

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it deeper and deeper and deeper and
you get Toto the characters more and you

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start to see the tone of it, it's very clear that it's kind of

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goofy. Yes, it's a good
word. There's there's some goofy that's going

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on on this show. But it's
all but it's all kind of masked by

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this light because it's the hot they
give you, like the high octane,

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high stakes, you know, situations
going on where like, oh man,

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this is a really oh this is
gonna be a really serious show. You

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know, it's really gonna be gritty. It's not really, it's not that

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greedy. I think that a good
like area of the show that encapsulates this

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that's non spoiler and we'll get into
spoiler soon, but is the two assassins

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and their whole relationship which has no
basis in reality whatsoever. Right, it's

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basically like a very I wouldn't say
cartoonish, but I wouldn't say it's that

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far away from being cartoonish. It's
very close to being cartoonish. Yeah,

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there's some things that go on between
those two that is very odd and weird.

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And kind of almost takes you out
of the show for meeting. There's

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an episode when and I'm forgetting her
name, the chief of staff, the

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lady who's yeah, Diane Farr.
Yeah, And so she is meeting with

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Peter and they meet at like a
zoo for some reason, for no particular

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reason, just because it's an interesting
place to set a scene, and then

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she has this whole monologue about out
about like the lion. It's it's and

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you're sort of watching, yeah,
a little like what, yeah, what

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was that? I mean, I've
got it at the end, but I'm

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like, that's weird. I think
that it is. So the show obviously

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has been a massive success. It's
already been renewed for season two. And

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I was thinking about it because the
nature of me doing this podcast is that

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I have to keep coming up with
new episodes. So it's rare that I

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watched something to completion. If I
watched them to the end, I'm really

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engaged by it for whatever reason,
and I think that the reason that I'm

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that I finished this show and I
was so engaged by it, and obviously

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the audience has been engaged by it, is that I think it took what

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is a pretty straightforward thing, and
they put just enough weird stuff into it

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that it throws you off balance.
Is real, Yeah, I think,

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And I really think that's what got
because I this show was not on my

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radar. My wife saw the trailer
and said, oh, this looks like

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it might be good. I said, okay, well let's see. Yeah,

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if I'd ended the first episode,
I just want to see what's gonna

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happen next, because they do hit
you with a lot right away, and

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like and like, I just want
to see it because in my head,

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I'm like, I don't I don't
know what this is. I don't know.

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They throw me off with these a
tonal change like right away, you

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know, and I'm just like,
what, Okay, I gotta see what

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else is next. And then we
just end up like we we I mean

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we we almost being said, let's
let's take our time with you know,

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because we always run through shows like
so fast, So let's take our time

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with it, and you know,
at least make it last a week or

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so. And that's what we did. I mean, in a weird way.

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This thing that we keep kind of
circling around, I would argue is

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actually the secret sauce of the show. If they had done it like totally

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straightforward and there wasn't anything weird in
the design of the characters or the tone

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or certain things that they do with
the dialog or whatever, like I don't,

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I probably would have checked out of
it sooner because it would have been

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too straight down the middle. Yes, they're there are some dialogue things that

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are just not that's the stuff that
I say. That's that's not good.

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Some of the lines are real corny, man, I know, but it's

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like, but like, at this
point, I'm already in so I just

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accepted it. I'm just like,
Okay, I know what the show is

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doing. I be but that didn't
know, but I thought I knew.

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I thought I knew. That didn't
know that I thought I knew that I

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didn't know. We have to get
into specifics to talk about this and fully

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like sort of embrace it. So
I would say, if you've already seen

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the show, obviously stay with us. If you have not seen it and

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you and you're not gonna watch it, I encourage you to listen because there's

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some stuff that just us describing again
I think will be pretty entertaining. I

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think so I want to talk about
episode seven because a ton of important stuff

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happens in episode seven. This is
the one that starts with we see the

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flashback to young Maddie, the vice
president's daughter. Yes, so I've just

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literally going to describe what happens at
the beginning of this episode. She she's

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playing with her sister. The vice
president is on like a work call,

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and he literally says this out loud. Essentially, he says, voters don't

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win elections. CEOs and super PACs
too, so he's basically like almost like

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cartoonish twirling mustache villain at that point. That's that out. I'm glad you

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said that, because it's like,
oh my god, Okay, go ahead.

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And then Maddie at the time,
it's like five, and he leaves

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her like a like a loan,
and the sister goes in a pool and

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drowns. And then afterwards we see
little Maddie, five year old, and

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the vice president in a limo and
they're driving like to the funeral, and

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she is obviously devastated. She's a
little girl, and she says something to

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the effect of like, oh,
I can wish my sister back, and

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he literally tells her she's never coming
back, and you were supposed to be

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watching her and this is like a
five year old. It reminded me so

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much of the beginning of Walk Hard, when Dewey Cox cuts his brother half

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of the machete, yes, and
his dad says, the wrong kid died.

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Oh, I'll tell you the Vice
president character, it's like the worst.

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I'm like, that's when I really
knew. I'm just say okay,

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like I kind of already picked up
that the Vice President was kind of it

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was villainous, but like, we've
just gone to the extreme, Like you

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said, the toy mustache, you
know, turning the kid too weren't train

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tracks and let the train run over
him. It was wild that that was

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a wild scene, and that whole
dynamic between him and the daughter wild.

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He was just outrageously evil with her. It's like he literally could have said,

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you're not even half the brother he
was after you cut him in half,

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and it would be the same tone, yes, yes, oh.

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And what about since we're getting into
it, what about when like after she's

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gotten shot and then he's like,
oh, we gotta go see the president

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or in the garden and he's like
making her walk you know and get on.

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He's like not even helping her down
to stand, like she got shot.

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You'll started that shot. You're just
like, hey, bring ass,

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the president wants to see you.
There's a part later where so I guess

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we could talk about this too.
Let's see, Oh yeah, no,

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so this this connects to what you're
talking about. So there's a part later

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where they're in the house. She
has returned from being kidnapped. He's he's

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talking to like his co conspirators,
and he says something I hadn't I had

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the note down here somewhere like he
basically is odo. He says, by

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tomorrow night, I can issue pardons
all around. And he's there's like it's

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not like he's just there by himself, right, like there's other you know,

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there's people in the house, and
he's just like and that's and I'm

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like, you know what, I
know, you want to kind of like

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give a reveal to a character so
they kind of know what's going on.

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But that's just so blatant and it's
so dumb on his part. I mean,

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at this point it doesn't matter though, See it's so late in the

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show. If they did that early
in the show, I might have been

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like, you know what, I'm
not watching this. It's just too blatant.

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But like, because you're so deep
into the show, and she's so

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invested even by okay, and then
in order for him to know that she

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overheard him, she she goes to
walk up the steps and she like brushes

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against the banister and leaves like a
bloody mark. But this isn't like,

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just to be clear, this is
not like she they just got her from

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the like they she's already been seen
by a doctor. They've set up a

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hospital bed in her room. If
she's bleeding that much, she's gonna die,

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Like what's going right? Why it's
she's been home for hours, she's

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been seening like you said, to
see my doctor. Why is she still

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bleeding that much? Like all over
she's leaving a trail of blood after she's

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supposed to be seen by Like I
mean, it's the vice president's daughter,

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so she's as soon this is a
top medical professional. She's been seen by

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another thing. Just to get at
the goofy ess of it. And I

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think it's like you said, right, I think that the people making the

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show are fully aware of all this
because at a certain point I wrote this

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note down in my notes, I
said they could start throwing in twin brothers

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back from the dead. They might
as well. And then in episode eight,

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a crucial part of the plot is
Peter goes they murdered the wrong twin.

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Yes, And then I remember watching
it and we're like, what is

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going on and my wife said it
better not be a twin and I'm like,

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oh, I think that's what it
is. It was right, but

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this is the fun of the show. And so then one thing I want

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to touch on that's sort of the
opposite of this. So also in episode

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seven, the whole show, we've
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romance between them, which is I
think genuinely think well I bought into it

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in terms of, like they're bonding
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okay. Okay, I just didn't
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but I get yeah, here here's
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what happens is, Okay, we've
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some point they're gonna get together,
and then it is the most chased like.

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It's like a pure Flix like Jesus
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faith based movies. It's it would
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That's how chased their get together is. And I was baffled by that

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because it's on Netflix. It's not
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clean like that. It was.
It had no impact. In fact,

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I almost forgot that they aked.
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fiction pitch of this, and and
I think it relates to them. I

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was thinking about Jack Reacher, the
Amazon show. So Amazon does Jack Reacher,

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and they're like, hey, man, it's on Amazon. We're gonna

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have like at one point, there's
a guy that is castrated and we see

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him like full frontal that he's been
castrated, and that his and we find

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out that his dick has been put
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like that. In general, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all

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right, I forgot about that,
Jack Richard and and um, so my

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pitches if I was doing it and
the others that I say this again,

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it's because you're on Netflix, you
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I'm not suggesting that it needs to
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in that way. But if you
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them they're in the bed on the
boat. You know, they're sort of

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holding each other. They're they're naked, and it's and she asks him,

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you know, if it's gonna be
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okay. And then at the end
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what it ends with, they're both
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he tells her it's going to be
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did something like that, I think
it would have that romantic charge. Yeah,

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that it It just did. It
felt like they built to it and

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then they just that was the one
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his daughter, he's like no problem
for five years old. Wow.

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I feel like there was there was
more Uh, there was like more heat

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between the assassins. I thought you
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between the vice president and his daughter. Right, Well, hey, it's

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assume this is someone in the family
show. I don't want to take you

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there, but I mean their their
relationship was really weird and Uh, yeah,

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I'm kind of uncomfortable at times.
Yeah, the whole the whole baby

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thing, but like, let's have
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baby, but i't steal a baby. I thought that was really weird.

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Yeah, with the assassins, I
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I didn't get that at all.
And I got it, but I

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didn't want to get it. I
also wrote down Rose Larkin top five TV

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girlfriend of all time, and the
reason I wrote that is, Huh,

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at every at every turn of the
plot, there's a moment where she shows

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that she's like ride or die.
Like in the FIRS, I think in

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the first episode she casually robs some
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it goes along, she stabs people, she pushes people off of cranes.

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She's like she's down for whatever.
I would say that she is ride or

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die, but not effectively ride or
die until she pushes uh the sasson of

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the crane. Because like when when
he gets in the fight with the with

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the assassin down by the water and
she's hitting him with the stick, the

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large long hit him more than once. She might hit him once, and

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then like waiting, I'm like no, no, no, wear his ass

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out with that thing. I said, because your boyfriend is about to get

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killed. She has ride or die
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them, that's true. Maybe.
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her. She's like she's a she's
a she's a tech tech gals. I

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can say that. Um, I
think we should at least mention also Gabriel

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Basso, who plays the lead,
who has a really tough part, right

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because he has to be earnest,
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of handcuffed. There's really not you're
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playing straight down the middle. And
I thought he did a really good job.

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Yeah, I think he I think
he watched the Jack Ryan Sylon me

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because Jack is real. Jack Ryan
is real light down the middle, but

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like it's just it's more like what
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he acts. That that defines the
Jack Ryan character. Like he's really seemed

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like he's straight down the middle,
but like he will go left with you

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know, And I think that that's
uh Southern. That was his character's name.

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I feel like Peter had had that
game same kind of Boube seemed like

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a you know, kind of straight
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guy. And he was and he
honest and he cared about people. But

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like, hey, when it's when
it was time to like do what he

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had to do, when he felt
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he was gonna do it is sometimes
it was a bad decision and it worked

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out in the end. Yeah,
he has a part at the end.

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I think he's holding a gun to
the President's head and he says, oh,

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he says that whole scen what was
there? He says, I love

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my country, and he really sold
me. I was. I was like,

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I was like, yeah, I
believe Yeah, I believed it.

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I was just I was just like, how did we get here? I

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want to talk about It's episode nine, So it's the build up to that.

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They introduced this plot device where so
let's say you and I have now

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spoken one time, right, Yes, I've heard your voice one time.

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If you if you call me on
the phone tomorrow and it's a different person

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speaking, I will know it's not
you right now. In this show,

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multiple times they do this thing where
it's like they pick up a talking some

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guy they just punched out or whatever, or they answer the phone for like

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some other person and they just talked
like they're the person and nobody on the

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other end is like, hey,
Bob, I know it's not you,

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Bob, I know your voice right
Well until the um the CEO, the

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kind of Blackwater CEO, kind of
guy, it took him a minute to

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figure out. They're like, oh, wait, this is not her.

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Even though this woman has a failing
accident, it's the first time somebody doesn't

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speak with that accident. You should
know this is not her. It doesn't

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take much, That's that's what I
think. It's like, it took three

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or four response befo, it's like, oh wait a minute, maybe this

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isn't Aver or whatever her name was. Imagine like a person that you work

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with at your job, that you
talked to pretty regularly, like calls you.

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You would know instantly the first word
that they say, you would know

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who the hell is this because this
is not so and so that would be

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my response of I do want to
give them so we've we've again. I

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want to be clear, first of
all, in the very likely of that

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the Sean Ryan ever listen to this. I want to be clear that I

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do like the show, and I
really I'm telling this is the reason why

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I said I would one hundred percent
watch another season. I do like this

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show, but this show is crazy. This show does a lot of things

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like genre wise that are just like
because like this is where I kind of

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feel like they've mailed it an.
A lot of shows do this. I

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feel like he got a little bit
of this and a little bit of that.

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He's definitely you know, you got
a little bit of like the action

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is very Olympics has fallen, and
because the action is crazy and it's like

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nobody really like they're blowing things up
and like major explosions where people in very

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close proximity and they're not dying.
That's true. Yeah, the subway explosion

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with the little girl, there's no
way they should have survived that when they

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When they didn't, I said,
oh, I thought they were gonna kill

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the little girl out the back.
I'm like, oh, they're serious,

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they're killing kids, and like she
gets something like I'm okay. I'm like,

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oh shit, there's a part and
I think it's the last episode where

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like a house blows up, and
I was like, I had one thousand

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percent thought that multiple characters were in
there, who then is alive, and

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they're just alive. I'm just like, Oh, we're just doing the explosives

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for effects, you know, just
to like for the drama of it,

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but not like for the actual you're
killing characters off. So I'm like,

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Okay, guys, I see what
we're doing here. We're going because because

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the Olympus following movie wasn't very much
like that Gerard Butler's character in that movie,

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it should have died like in the
first fifteen minutes of those movies,

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and he somehow survives. He's harrowing
shooting like gigantic shootouts him against twenty guys,

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massive explosions, getting dropped out and
stuff. Oh, for example,

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come on the hotel thing with Peter
and Rose where they like fall off the

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whole say them like go through the
glass and like get the concrete, and

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they jumped right back up. What. Yeah, it's great. I love

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it. I love it. Though
I I do want to give him credit

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that at the end we find out
that Peter's dad legitimately was a trader.

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That it wasn't like some sort of
thing where it was like, oh,

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it was just a misunderstanding, like
he was legit a trader and I thought

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that, but it was for a
reason though, well yeah, I mean

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they sort of they they they made
it a little softer in the sense that

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you know, they tell him at
the end he was going to become a

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double agent blah blah blah. But
it was clear that he did something wrong.

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He was not he was not an
innocent, and I was glad that

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they didn't pull back on that,
right because I kind of feel like he

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he took the money and then something
bad, worse happening than he thought.

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But then they started to use that
against the whoever was and like he like

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he started off as a kind of
subillain and it kind of became a hero.

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Well he didn't get a chance to
become a girl because they killed him,

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basically, But that was that a
little through line. I liked that

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that was kind of sitting there the
whole time, like they they kind of

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way and made us way to the
end. I like that part. I

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want let me say something about like
just to give this a show mother compliment,

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I feel like the structure and the
pacing was really good. I was

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gonna talk for that, y'all.
Yeah. I feel like, you know,

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like the way, like structure wise, the way the story was told.

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I like how they whoever was kind
of gonna be the focus of that

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episode got the got a backstory seeing
at the very beginning to kind of because

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we got because they know we got
all these unanswered questions. So they're saying,

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oh, we know you got a
question about Peter here at being the

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episode, here's a flashback, come
on in, we know you got a

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question about Dane far Oh, here
we go, here's here's here's an answer

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in the flashback. So I really
like that and just like giving you just

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enough and moving along just at a
right pace so you don't get bored or

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you don't feel like, you know, it's rushed. They did a really

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good job at that part. Yeah. No, I equate it to like

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if you watch like one of the
Jason Bourne movies and there's a there's a

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character that's interesting, Like I remember
in the first one, Clive Owen before

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he dies, he says, uh, you know, do you get headaches?

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I get really bad headaches to Jason
Bourne, and you're like, wow,

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what an interesting character, And like
It's almost like this show is like,

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what if you got to spend ten
minutes alone with that guy and learn

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about his life before Jason Bourne has
to kill him, you would you would

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care more about him, you'd be
no more about him, And so the

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structure of it is it's really I
mean, this could have easily been a

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two hour movie. But what they
did is they take characters. It would

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have been like, it would have
been terrible though, to try to stuff

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all that into two hours. There's
no way. And I think that's why

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it works is because it has the
space that every one of the major characters

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we know enough about their backstory to
understand their motivation, to understand who they

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are, and so it is satisfying
in that way because you really get to

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know everybody. They do it.
They did a good job. I like,

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yeah, I don't really feel like
I feel like almost all the characters

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got enough backstory on them that I
kind of like, I mean most of

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them, like maybe a few people, but for the most part, I

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thought, so, well, I'll
tell you one thing because I should trying

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to throw you off. I make
you think that one guy is the villain,

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but he's really not the Robert Patrick
character, because you know, he

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was he was gruff and and just
like a complete asshole. And you know,

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my wife's following force. She's like, oh, he's the bad guy.

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I'm like, no, no,
no, no, no, no.

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The guy that acts like that is
never the bad guy. He's probably

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a good guy. He just he's
just an ass you know. And then

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of course, you know, it
turns out the way it turns out.

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The second that Diane Fire gives the
speech next to the Lion, I was

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like, this is way too weird
for it to just be like a piece

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of window dressing. Like I pretty
much pegged her at that point, but

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they did a good job throwing me
off the trail, and then by the

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time you circle back, it was
still surprising. Kind I kind of all

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her like a couple episodes in I
didn't I didn't have I didn't know how

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or what. I just said.
I just sat here. Trust her.

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I just didn't trust that. I
don't trust her. It's just something about

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her. I don't trust. She
was just too cool, Like she was

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really really cool and really really even
until things started going sideways and she had

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to like cuss out the vice president
in the in the military contracted guy.

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Like then they kind of she kind
of like started losing it and she started

412
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custom and all that. I thought
that was I like the way they did

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that. I thought that was hilarious. Like she really dropped into like a

414
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different Oh yeah, it was like
a street argument. Yeah. Oh yeah.

415
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She was so cool before and then
like way too cool for mine.

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I'm like, hey, this woman
here, we got a major crisis going

417
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on, and this lady is just
like, oh okay, well you know,

418
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come on the end, and hey, if you got that hard drive,

419
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bring that with you too, you
know. And I just like,

420
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way too casual. Yeah, And
then I just want to tell we could

421
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go on and on so much going
on in the show. I just want

422
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to talk about the ending as we
sort of wrapped up here. Um,

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so we see it's like the sun
is setting. Rose is like sitting on

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the hood of a jeep or something
like there's a jet on the runway.

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It becomes like American porn, like
they should have had Springsteen playing. It

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was like it was like top Gun
Maverick all of a sudden, and you

427
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know, it's like this guy's a
real patriot. And I do think that

428
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there's a real vein you can tap
into with that, like people like even

429
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me, I mean, like I
totally am susceptible to that if you sort

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of put it in the right delivery
system. And I think that's part of

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why Top Gun Maverick worked. I
think it's part of why this show worked,

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because this guy's a real patriot.
And at the end, again,

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it's it's it's literally almost like Team
America World Police like America like it's it's

434
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it's so it's so patriotic at the
end of the way, it kind of

435
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sends you out. But why did
you just leave it behind? And like,

436
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oh, I talk to you when
I talk to you, like,

437
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I mean, she's already proven her
medal, Like get her a job.

438
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You guys can work as the team. Probably she's obviously has the tech skills

439
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you know, to be an asset, like get her a job, and

440
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just leaves it there sitting in the
car. I almost wondered, like a

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James Bond thing where it's like,
you know, James Bond, there was

442
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always a different love interest in every
you know, Yeah, I'm sure that's

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probably where it's going on. But
I thought deserved Roles bad that Roles deserved

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better, That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, he did rose dirty at the

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end there. Yeah, in the
man, I enjoyed this show. All

446
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I know. I said a lot
of things that were crazy and wrong or

447
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whatever, but like, overall,
they had me pretty much from the first

448
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episode. I was engaged the whole
time. I couldn't wait to see the

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next episode. You know, So, good job, guys, Let's go

450
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again. I would say it's a
rare situation where the flaws of the show

451
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are equally the reason that I enjoyed
watching it as the strength of the show.

452
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Yes, but that's not unusual for
many there are. There are movies

453
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and shows that I know are highly
flawed, but I'm in I love it.

454
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Sometimes sometimes the bad makes the good
better. Yeah that makes any sense

455
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at all. James, thank you
so much for coming on the show.

456
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Oh man, it's a pleasure,
man. Hey. I appreciate it,

457
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Hey, because, like I said, I'm just a guy that really enjoys

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this stuff, and I appreciate the
opportunity to come on your show. You

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know, I listened to the podcast
every episode that comes out. I really

460
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enjoy it, man, and like
I really I feel like like maybe we

461
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were related in another life, because
our tastes are very similar, and I

462
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feel like our perspectives on these things
that match up like weirdly the same.

463
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This is one of the great joys
of doing a show like this is that,

464
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yeah, there are people where it's
like we just for whatever reason,

465
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have the same taste and so it's
kind of cool to be all bounce off

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each other with that kind of stuff. So thanks again for coming on the

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show Man for the listeners. That
is a show for today until next time.

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Bye, love, love, love