When The Time Comes, I'll Know

A kind, wealthy older gentleman becomes the target of an experienced con artist, who gradually takes control of his finances, until his family realizes what is happening and tries to stop it.
Allegedly is a production of Voyage Media. The series is...
A kind, wealthy older gentleman becomes the target of an experienced con artist, who gradually takes control of his finances, until his family realizes what is happening and tries to stop it.
Allegedly is a production of Voyage Media. The series is produced by Nat Mundel, Robert Mitas, and Dan Benamor. This episode, "When The Time Comes, I'll Know", was written, produced and directed by Jason Cheyney, based on the books "When The Time Comes, I'll Know" and "The Trail of Greed Leads To Black Letter Law" by Sallee Burns, currently available on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/When-Time-Comes-Ill-Know/dp/B09WQ17WXK
https://www.amazon.com/Trail-Greed-Leads-Black-Letter/dp/B09ZYYVTQB
Starring Jerome St. Jerome as Verne, and Aliee Chan, as Rima. Original music by Derlis Gonzalez. Edited, sound designed, and mixed, by John Higgins. If you're enjoying the show, please leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you're listening, and subscribe now for future episodes.
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There's an old saying that declares money
isn't everything, but for some people,
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money is the only thing, and
those people will go to great lengths to
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grab as much money as possible from
any source available. In this story,
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a woman arrives in a small town
and meets a generous older man. The
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man is a wealthy business owner and
veteran who invested wisely in the stock market
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throughout his life. My uncle Vern
was one of the greatest nicest guys I've
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ever met. Vern was a veteran
from Lynchburg, Ohio. He grew up
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in the farming industry, but decided
early in his life that he did not
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want to be a farmer. At
twenty three years old, he moved to
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the town of Shamokin, Pennsylvania.
Verne saw the potential for business in the
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town and loved the beauty of them
mountains. As he grew up in southern
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Ohio, the most he ever saw
was a hill, so the picturesque scenery
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took his breath away. Vern opened
up a business called the Shimokan Equipment Company
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to help furnish the homes, bars, restaurants, and hotels in the area.
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His business offered every and any item
for home or bar, from kitchen
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appliances to air conditioners. Vern always
sold the most up to date styles and
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his company did well. Then Vern
began learning about the stock market and the
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best way to invest his money.
He was very frugal, and he kept
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just enough money for his daily needs
while investing the rest in the market.
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He also invested in some real estate
in town, buying a three story apartment
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building. He chose to live on
the third floor, where the view was
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better, and he rented out the
two lower floors. Eventually, Vern owned
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a list of stocks that represented every
letter of the alphabet. Letter A stood
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for his AT and T stock,
of which he owned a whopping ten thy
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five hundred shares. He soon became
a multi millionaire. Vern enjoyed his wealth
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and dated many ladies for different amounts
of time. Whenever a romantic relationship ended,
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Vern always remained friends and stayed in
contact by phone or an occasional dinner.
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At one point, he was deeply
in love with a woman in Shamokin
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and wanted to marry her. He
even joined the local country club to get
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closer to her. Unfortunately, her
father didn't like Vern, and that rejection
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ended the couple's relationship. Vern,
now in his seventies, continued to run
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the Shamokin Equipment company while investing in
stocks. One afternoon, a woman visited
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Vern's business to look into equipment she
needed to redecorate the local hotel. Let's
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call the woman Rema. Vern helped
Rema and gave her access to everything she
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needed. Hello, miss, welcome
to Chimoku Equipment. How can I help
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you today? I need the furniture
alrighty for your home. No, I
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am redecorating a hotel the places at
dump. Okay, well, I've got
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a big selection of tables and chairs, barstools, anything you need. I
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don't want anything cheap. So the
owner is paying. I don't really care
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how much it costs. We can
charge him for whatever I buy. Okay,
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well, you should probably buy the
best items for the needs of the
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hotel, not just the most expensive
items. The best items are the most
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expensive ones he's paying, so let's
charge him a lot of money. Okay,
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Well, let me show you what
I have. After their first encounter,
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Rema befriended Verne and they go out
to dinner, where he learned more
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about her. This place is nice, Yeah, I think it's the best
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steakhouse in town. So tell me
about yourself. Where are you from?
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I was born and raised in Lebanon. From when I was a girl,
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I always wanted to have money and
be somebody. I got married to a
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mean man who hit me all the
time. He forced me to get the
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job and earn money. I'm sorry
I may have to interrupt here. Sometimes
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her husband wasn't abusive. Reema actually
wasn't satisfied with the money he earned,
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and she chose to work and try
to earn more. Well, he sounds
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like a real jerk. So what
did you do for work? I worked
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in a restaurant. What kind of
restaurant? A steakhouse restaurant? Actually,
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she was a lady of the night. She learned all the tricks of the
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trade and had other girls working for
her. Her business venture was short lived
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as local police discovered the illegal activity. Luckily for Rema, someone informed her
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of the upcoming raid and she took
all her money and any belongings she could
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carry to the local port. From
there, she sailed off to the Venezuela,
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where she had a few relatives.
I decided to go to Venezuela,
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and then I went to Mexico.
That's a lot of traveling. What did
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you do in Mexico? I worked
at the border with the Red Cross.
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I was good with people. The
Red Cross in Texas gave me a green
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car to help them. It was
a six month visa. Then I decided
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to take a bus and live in
Pennsylvania. Oh so you traveled from Texas
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to Shamokin. Yeah, I went
straight to Shamokin. Why did you choose
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Shamokin? I uh, I liked
the name of it. So here's the
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truth. Rema's visa expired and she
bought a bus ticket headed east with the
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hope of getting lost in the huge
population of New York City. She didn't
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make it to New York, though, she ran out of money by the
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time she reached Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
You know what, let me take it
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from here to explain her time in
Pennsylvania. In Harrisburg, Rema took a
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job as a waitress in the local
restaurant. She befriended a young man named
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John, who ate lunch at the
restaurant every day, and the two were
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married not long after. The marriage
lasted one month, as Rema left John
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because he didn't earn enough money for
the lifestyle she wanted. She headed north
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on a bus and John never saw
her again. He was granted a divorce
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A couple of years later, Rema
landed in Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania, and began
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working in the kitchen of a local
hotel. Her job afforded her both a
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room and food. The situation was
perfect, but she and the married hotel
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owners started an affair. When the
owner's longtime wife discovered her husband was cheating,
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Rema was asked to leave. Rema
wasn't leaving quietly, though, She
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threatened to publicly expose the owner's infidelities, so he offered her fifteen thousand dollars
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to leave town. Rema was gone
by the end of the day. For
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her next stop, Rema traveled to
Wilkesbury, Pennsylvania, where she was hired
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to work in cold food storage at
a hotel. Meanwhile, the local hotel
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in the nearby area of Shamokin was
struggling and in need of help with reservations.
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The owner of the Jefferson Hotel then
hired Rema to help cook and put
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the hotel on the map. She
would end up doing more than that.
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She lived in the hotel, ran
the kitchen a dining room, and started
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working on redecorating the establishment, which
takes us back to how she met vern.
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In case you're wondering how I know
all Rema's backstory, I'll explain that
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later. Over time, Verne and
Rema continued to have more dinners and got
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more acquainted. At one point,
though, Rema became angry with Verne when
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he refused to let her buy her
hotel needs on credit. I want to
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buy all this furniture on credit credit, Rema. I'm not comfortable with that.
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Why not? Don't be a pain? Verne. I don't accept credit.
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I never have what. You're being
stupid, Arima. You're not being
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logical. Give me what I want. No, I can't do that.
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You're being an idiot. Even without
her furniture on credit, Rema continued to
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help popularize the Jefferson Hotel in her
own way. She added upstairs card games
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for men, where she served them
drinks and dessert. Conversations eventually started around
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including more than dessert. Rema suggested
adding girls to the evening card games,
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some things she had passed experience in. Rema went into town and recruited girls,
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mostly teenagers to attend the evening events. She would approach girls on the
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street, Hey, do you need
money? Are you looking for a job.
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I can pay you a lot of
money to come work into my hotel.
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Come with me, I'll give you
a job. Prostitution in small towns
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is more common than people think,
and it's often underreported. In the Journal
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of Sociology and Social Work, there
was a report on prostitution in rural counties
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after interviews with law enforcement and social
workers. The report mentions, quote our
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data hints that prostitution may be far
more common than official statistics suggest. The
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report also details that often prostitution in
rural areas can be an economic strategy to
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deal with unemployment and poverty in the
region, but it can also be related
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to drug use. With some of
the girls in the town working in the
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hotel started rolling in, Rema more
or less served as the position of a
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pimp. Generally, pimps are men
who control prostitutes and arrange sexual encounters while
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taking some of their earnings. Rema
positioned herself as this type of nefarious agent.
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Some of the prostitution money went into
the hotel cash register, but most
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of it went into Rema's purse.
Meanwhile, the owner of the hotel now
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had several new business ventures, and
he moved his family away from Shimochen.
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He still visited the hotel when he
could, and one afternoon he noticed a
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young woman leaning up against the side
of the building. He asked what she
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was doing there, and she replied, I work here. Are you looking
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for a good time? The owner
told the girl to leave, and he
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ran into the hotel to find Rema
heiious. He fired Rema and ordered her
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to get out immediately. Rema snapped
and started swinging, but didn't don't land
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any punches. She gathered her belongings
and left the hotel, but not before
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giving the owner a piece of her
mind. I made this hotel big.
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I made a lot of money for
you, you stupid king idiot. You
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I don't care if I use girls
to bring in customers. It works.
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You are going to get pay for
this, You'll see you. Reema broke
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into the hotel that same night and
washed her clothes in the kitchen sink.
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The next morning, the owner found
her sleeping on the banquet table with her
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clothes drying off. The owner called
the police, who removed her from the
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building. She then reached out to
Verne and fabricated a story about abuse at
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the hotel. What happened exactly?
The owner he beat me up, He
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abused me. He punched me in
the face. Well, luckily, it
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doesn't look like he hurt you at
all. You don't have a black eye
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or any bruises. Oh no,
I mean he punched me in the stomach.
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Wow, that's terrible. I need
to sue him, but they don't
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have any money. Oh, I
can let you use my attorney and you
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can pay me back when you get
back on your feet. What I am
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already on my feet. It's an
expression. You can pay me back when
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you have money again. Okay.
Vern wasn't usually a fan of just giving
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people money. He would always be
open to lending money to anyone who asked,
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but he expected to be paid back. He disliked freeloaders who use people
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for money, but he would give
people money in certain circumstances. At one
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point, his friend's mother needed surgery, and Vern gave him the money without
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question. That wasn't cheap. Vern's
kindness, though, could be taken advantage
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of, and Rema was becoming well
aware of this fact. Vern's attorney soon
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recognized Rema's abuse story for what it
truly was, and he suggested she find
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another lawyer. Rema not only lied
about abuse, she accused the owner of
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the hotel of being complicit in the
prostitution. It took the owner ten years
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to fight her in court, and
after one of the girls confessed that Rema
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was lying, the owner finally won
his case, ending his nightmare. Meanwhile,
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Rema asked Fern for help with a
place to live. Vern was very
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patriotic, though, and refused to
grant one of his apartments to someone who
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wasn't a tax paying citizen. Verne, you have an apartment building. Let
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me live in one of the apartments, Rema. I can't let you live
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there if you aren't paying your share
in taxes. Taxes, I already left
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taxes. Who cares about taxes?
Give me a place to live? No,
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not Texas, I'm talking about paying
your just Let me reach out to
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my friend Betty. Who's Betty.
She's my friend. She might have a
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place for you. Good. Reach
out to Betty. Contacted at Betty,
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who owned a large home with fare
rooms. Betty agreed to let Riema rent
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a room, not long after,
Rema started to notice Erne's possessions. Vern
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owned a nice car and he generally
dressed well. Once a year he would
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travel to New York and buy silk
ties and monogram shirts. Rema soon realized
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that Vern was wealthy and had no
family in Shamokin. That's when Vern became
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her new target. Vern, you
don't have any family in Shamokin. No,
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No, most of them are in
Ohio. Huh. I saw you
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have a nice car. Thanks,
it's a Cadillac, my favorite kind of
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car. I think they're really well
made. Expensive. Yeah, it's not
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a cheap car. Vern. Do
you have a lot of money? Huh,
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I don't like to talk about those
things. You spend money in the
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stock markets? Oh? Yes,
I love investing and finding great stocks.
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You can teach me. Sure,
I can give you some tips. Make
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me rich like you. Huh.
After realizing Verne was wealthy, Rima then
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noticed that he paid a couple to
clean his apartment, and she decided to
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try to take their jobs. The
closer she could get to Erne's money,
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the better. Vern. Those people
that clean your apartments do a bad,
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bad job. Really, they always
seem very efficient to me. No,
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I am more effishing. Hire me
to clean and I'll cook for you too.
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You know I am a good cook. Well, I wouldn't mind a
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hot meal. You can give me
money each week and I'll buy you food.
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Okay, I'll pay you once a
week and give you money for my
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groceries. Yes, hire me all
right. Outside of Verne, the people
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of Shimoke and weren't welcoming to Rema. Some folks were just racist and didn't
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like her accent, while others were
aware of her misdeeds and prostitution at the
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hotel. She still determined, though, to get something out of any of
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the small town folks that she can
do. She already victimized the hotel owner,
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some of the girls in the area, and was working on vern but
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there was more bilking to be done. Next up were the generous and kind
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folks of Shimokin. As Rema was
now settled in Betty's home and working for
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Verne, she devised a plan to
get her sister and two nephews into the
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United States from Lebanon. Rema started
to cry around certain people in town,
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who then offered to console her.
She complained about missing her family and being
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unable to afford to bring them to
the US. As more people around town
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heard her story, a group of
them decided to help and gathered a fund.
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Betty agreed to renovate the upstairs of
her home where Rema lived, adding
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a kitchenette and another bathroom. The
people in town used the fund to pay
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for the construction, and when complete, Rema's sister and her two sons arrived
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in town and moved in. The
boys then enrolled in the local high school.
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Vern had a soft spot for the
boys and agreed to help out.
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Reema would help out in her own
way. She took half the food that
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she purchased for Vern each week,
using his money, of course, and
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gave it to her sister and nephews. Have you seen my cereal? No?
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What about the milk? Didn't you
just go shopping? You drank it
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all? I don't think so.
You don't remember. I don't think you
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bought any You're just confused, Vern, I'm not confused enough. When Vern
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turned seventy eight years old, he
decided to finally sell his business to a
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loyal employee of seventeen years, for
no longer had the stamina to run the
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business and the way he demanded of
himself. The Shimokan Equipment company was now
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under new ownership. At this point, Vern's eyesight was failing and he had
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several minor car accidents which sent his
insurance skyrocketing. Rema offered to be his
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chauffeur. If Verne needed to depend
on her for transportation, she would have
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even more control over him. She
of course, needed to learn to drive
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first, Vern, I shall drive
you around. You can't drive good anymore.
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Mm. Yeah, my eyes aren't
what they used to be. But
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you don't even know how to drive. So find someone to show me how.
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Let me see what I can do. Find someone Vern. So another
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request from Rima from Vern, who
was kindly accommodating as usual, His friend
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and the police department agreed to teach
Rima to drive, and she received her
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license. She then offered to drive
for Vern, but she also wanted more.
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Okay, I have my license now, so I can drive you.
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That's really great, congratulations, Rema. You need to let me move in
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now? Move in? Yes?
Uh? You want to live with me?
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Yes? Let me sleep on the
couch? Well yes, um,
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yes, okay yes. At this
point, Rema had wormed her way completely
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into Vern's life by taking advantage of
his kind nature. He depended on her
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for food, transportation, and now
she was literally in his home, which
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gave her access to him and his
possessions. Twenty four to seven, while
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living in Vern's home, Rema asked
him again to give her advice about the
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stock market. Vern, what stock
should I buy? Well, you should
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look for companies that you think have
a real future. What companies you have
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to research and read about them?
Communication companies are good. Everyone needs to
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communicate. But what company I've made
money from? AT and T stock?
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Okay, I'll buy that. Well, it's in expensive stock. You need
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to spend a lot of money to
buy anything substantial. Okay, I spend
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a lot of money. I'm not
sure you have enough. I'm talking thousands
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and thousands. Don't worry, I
have money. Rema then began buying her
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own stock using Verne's money and any
of his guidance. She discovered the combination
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of his safe and in it he
had ninety five thousand dollars in bearer bonds.
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Reema took one bearer bond worth five
thousand dollars, assuming Vern, but
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never noticed he never did. She
had no clue what to do with the
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bond, so she reached out to
a local attorney. She Liden said that
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Vern gave it to her and asked
how she could cash it. She then
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deposited the bond into her bank account. A bear bond is a physical certificate
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with coupons attached that are used to
redeem the interest payments. As the ownership
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is not registered, the owner of
a bear bond is simply the person in
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possession of it. Because of this, bear bonds are as vulnerable as cash
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to being stolen. Bear bonds are
now virtually extinct in the US because the
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lack of registration made them ideal for
use in money laundering, tax evasion,
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and in this case, theft.
Over the next several years, Vern unfortunately
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suffered constant loss of fail. First, his nephew passed away, two years
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later, his brother in law passed
away, and two years after that his
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sister passed away. Nevertheless, Verne
still enjoyed calling and seeing his remaining family
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on holidays. One summer, my
mom and my family visited Vern in Shimokin.
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He welcomed us with open arms and
a big smile. He pulled pictures
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of our children from his desk stoer
and named each one of them. That's
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Kristen. There's Michael. His name's
Jeff. Hello, h Rema. This
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is my housekeeper, cook and driver. Rema. Hello, nice to meet
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you. Come eat. I have
dinner for everyone. Rema seemed kind and
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she prepared a delicious dinner for us. She was a very good cook.
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Vern was in good spirits and he
sang an Irish song and his beautiful tenor
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voice. Just two years later,
Vern was unfortunately aging quickly, both physically
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and mentally. He had trouble walking
and could only climb the stairs to his
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own apartment once a day. On
Vern's ninetieth birthday, our family visited him
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in Shamokin. We asked Rema if
we could invite some of Verne's friends,
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but her response was that they were
all either dead or just wanted his money.
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After our visit, I mentioned to
Rema to please contact us if he
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was ever in need of anything at
all. Six months later, Verne entered
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the Shamokin hospital. No diagnosis was
confirmed, but the first actor who examined
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him thought it was the flu.
My mom and I wanted to see Vern,
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so we called Rema. Hello,
No, don't come to visit.
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Vern is back from the hospital and
doing better. Anyway, don't come here.
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Whenever we called to speak with Vern, Rema gave an excuse. Hello,
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No, he can't talk. He's
sleeping. I don't want to wake
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him. Hello, No, he
can't talk. His teeth are out.
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He's embarased. We kept calling and
calling Vern, but received no contact from
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him. Rema was definitely trying to
get us out of the picture. After
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many unanswered calls, Rema finally called
back and informed us that Vern was in
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the Via Hospital in Washington, d
C. Rema purchased an expensive home in
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nearby Alexandria and traveled there every weekend. At this point, Rema's sister and
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nephews moved to Philadelphia, where the
boys started college. With practically no contact
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from Rema, my mom and I
decided to drive to the Via Hospital in
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Washington to find out what was going
on. When we arrived at the hospital,
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we were informed that Vern was no
longer there and that they were unaware
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of where he currently resided. We
asked the hospital to reach out to Rema
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to find out where Verne was located. Hello, where's Vern? Who's asking?
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No, don't tell them where he
is, with Rema refusing to give
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us Verne's location, We called around
to local nursing homes to see if we
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could find him. We eventually did
on our fourth try. We made arrangements
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with the nursing home to see him. When we visited Vern, he looked
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unhealthy and unfortunately couldn't remember who we
were. Hi, thanks so much for
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visiting me. I can't recall your
names right now? Where do I know
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you ladies from? After about ten
minutes, Rema came bursting in, Oh,
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you should have told me you were
coming. I would have made a
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party. I take the two of
you to lunch. We agreed, accepted
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her insincerity. During lunch, Rema
discussed a new will that Vern supposedly wrote
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but hadn't signed yet. Rema mentioned
that she's waiting for Vern to have a
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lucid day so he could sign a
new will. Vern said he needed to
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change his will. He thought it
was old and it needed to be more
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new, but after he wrote it, he forgot to se I'll make sure
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he signs it when he remembers again. Attempts to forge wills sent her around
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three strategies. First, there's the
invalid signature where the person photocopies, traces
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or handwrites the person's name on the
will. Second, there's the invalid witness,
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where either a fake witness is used
or their signatures for us as well.
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Third, there's the lack of capacity, where the will is signed by
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the person but they are not of
sound mind for it to be legal.
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After lunch, Rema gave us a
tour of her luxurious Alexandria home. She
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spent four hundred thousand dollars of Verne's
money on the home. We learned that
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the cost just for the landscaping in
the backyard was thirty five thousand dollars a
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year. She spoke about how she
cared for vern when he got sick and
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put him in the car with a
pillow under his head and a blanket because
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he wanted to go to the VA
in Washington. Rema then drove us throughout
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Washington, DC. She said that
Verne wanted a new car, so she
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traded in his Cadillac for the most
current model. As he was stuck in
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the nursing home, it didn't make
any sense that he even cared about a
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new car at that point. She
drove way too fast and came within inches
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of hurt in other cars. I
can't imagine poor Vernon having to endure her
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insane driving. After the white knuckle
driving tour, Rema dropped us off at
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our motel. Before exiting the car, Rema explained the current money situation vern
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Ene me, we have lots of
money. Just tell me how much you
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want to go away and they'll write
you a check or give you a stock.
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My mom and I were infuriated by
this offer. I informed Rema that
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we have never asked our uncle for
money and never will. We exited the
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car, slamming the doors. Rema
then tried again to offer Vern's money to
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my mom. How about you just
tell me how much you want. There
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is greed in everybody. My mom
looked her in the eyes and explained,
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well, there's not greed in me. Rema began to drive off, then
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slowed down to look at us in
disbelief. After realizing we weren't changing our
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minds about taking any money, she
sped away. We told Reema that we
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were heading home the following day,
but instead decided to return to the nursing
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home the next morning to fully evaluate
what was going on with Verne. We
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entered Erne's room and found him sleeping. As soon as I said his name,
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his eyes opened wide and he smiled. The orderly entered and I asked
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if Ern could be brought into the
visiting area. The orderly opened nearby drawers
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so Verne could get dressed, but
we discovered he had no clothes. The
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Orderly said that Verne could borrow some
from his roommate, like he has in
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the past. Vern also didn't have
any glasses to see with or teeth to
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eat with. We were furious about
Verne's lack of care and wondered how cruel
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can Reema be to this man who
always helped her. After Vern was brought
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into the visitors area, we started
to speak with his doctor. We informed
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the doctor that we were relatives from
out of state and that our uncle was
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ill and being taken advantage of.
The doctor interviewed Vern, who was confused
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by his questions because of his progressing
Alzheimer's disease. We told the doctor that
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Verne needed a guardian to start looking
out for his best interests. I asked
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the doctor to write up a document
about Vern's needs in order to show something
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to an attorney or judge. The
doctor agreed and wrote a message about Vern's
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condition. We thanked the doctor and
returned to our attention to Vern. We
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took Vern in his wheel chair over
to the window and pointed out some puppies
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playing near by. He smiled and
acknowledged the puppies. We eventually leave and
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Vern was placed next to another gentleman
he befriended at the nursing home. The
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following day, we traveled to Shimokun
to attempt to become the legal guardians for
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Vern. Rema was contacted and informed
of our plans. A month later,
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Vern was suddenly violently ill and vomiting
at the nursing home. The doctor explained
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to us that Vern had some sort
of fluid in him that was making him
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sick, but no one could figure
out the cause. Vern was placed on
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a ventilator and ten days later he
sadly passed away. I think it may
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have been arsenic poisoning, but I
have no proof. Vern always wanted to
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leave most of his estate to charities
and the poor, but we discovered that
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Vern's new will that he supposedly signed
now gave all of his money and property
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to Rima. We didn't buy this
for a second and decided to contest the
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will. The doctors at the Via
Hospital wanted to have an autopsy performed on
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Vern, but Rima had control over
his body via the will and adamantly refused.
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Our attempt to contest the will was
a long process that took nine months.
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We won in the lower court,
but then had to fight Rima's appeal.
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Our attorney hired a detective to investigate
Rima, so that's when we discovered
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her extensive, sordid history that I
detailed earlier. During the time we were
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battling Rema in court, she spent
all of Evern's money on land in Virginia.
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She bought a farm for eight hundred
and sixty five thousand dollars, of
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building for a million dollars, which
she named the Rema Building, and twenty
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houses throughout the state. We finally
won our contest of the will, but
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at that point Rema had spent any
money Verne had left. Eventually, though
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all of Rema's properties were foreclosed,
she had a problem making payments so long
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Rema Building. Rema said in the
past that she wanted to have money and
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be somebody. Well. She got
her money, but the only somebody she
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became was an opportunist who stole a
kind old man's fortune and built the generous
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people in a small town. Anyone
Rima met was always left worse off after
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she took anything and everything she could
from them. She took advantage of anyone
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kind or generous, and people like
her are the reason there's a cynical saying,
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no good deed goes unpunished. Even
though Verne has passed away, my
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family and I won't stop fighting for
his memory. Vern never wanted to allow
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freeloaders into his life, but as
he aged and mentally declined, his defenses
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were unfortunately down. I hope his
story serves as a cautionary tale to people
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in the future who may have a
similar situation with a loved one. There's
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sadly Arima in every town, and
the good people out there need to watch
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out for the bad people like her. Allegedly is a production of Voyage Media.
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The series is produced by Nat Mandel, Albertmidas, and Dan Benimore.
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and directed by Jason Cheney, based
on the books When the Time Comes,
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Jerome Saint Jerome as Verne, and
Ali Chan Asrima. Original music by Derlis
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