Episode Two

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Late in nineteen thirty four, I
somewhat reluctantly started again as a psychotherapist to

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my former patient, the diminutive corporal, who was now the Fureur of Germany,

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a man who had been responsible earlier
in the year for the brutal murderer

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perhaps hundreds of his perceived enemies and
political rivals in the infamous event known as

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the Night of the Long Nights.
I was now playing Daniel to his nebuchanessur,

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listening as he recounted his dreams and
I delved into his psyche. He

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was particularly concerned with providence, ancient
mythology, distantly, and fate, but

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in our early sessions I sought to
hear more of his developing years. He

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was unwilling to come to my own
consulting rooms, but I did manage to

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persuade him that our therapy discussion should
be in a more secluded, intimate and

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dedicated setting than in his chancellery office, somewhere more conductive to uninterrupted relaxation.

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As our form of patient therapist bond
re kindle. He became more willing to

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accept my questions, though in truth
I was more interested in the attitudes induced

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by them than in his actual spoken
words. His reactions were sometimes violent outburst,

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sometimes secretive and evasive. I knew
how many people he'd killed who displeased

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him. I knew that demanding Icees
as his therapist would displease him. Our

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sessions were a ti trope walk on
a race of wire. You remember once

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years ago, Adolf, ut,
only of an unhappy time in your childhood.

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Ma, Yeah, about my father's
ducks. That's it. But do

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you recall any more happy times while
you were a child grown up? No?

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Except when my brother Edmund was alive. We were happy together. He

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was younger than I, but he
cut nieces and died in nineteen hundred.

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It was only six, I was
ten. That would that would have made

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you very sad. So what happened
after that? I used to go and

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sit on the cemetery wall and look
at the stars and to try and see

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Edmund again. Do you believe we
all have our own star in the sky?

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Doctor? Well, there are many
ancient myths and legends about the stars,

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or anything might be possible. After
my brother died, I had a

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bad time. We used to protect
and comfort each other from our father's anger,

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and after Edmund died. My father
was worse with me, and I

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stopped being so good at school.
That would have made your father even more

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angry. Yeah. Yeah. The
only thing I enjoyed studying was history on

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art. I wanted to become an
artist. My father tried to beat that

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idea out of me, but the
harder he tried, the more resilient I

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became. He wanted me to become
a civil servant. Did your mother approve

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of your interest in art and music? I pass in the church choir and

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she was quiet and loving. What
could never stand opposed to him her husband.

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I loved her. She was loving
to me. But my father was

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unlovable. I was glad when he
died suddenly in nineteen or three, when

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you were fourteen, I was still
thirty. You didn't love your father that

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he was a brute. He never
loved anybody. Nobody ever loved him.

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Then there was only my sister Paula
and me, but she was very young,

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only six, So my mother and
I were very close. Here,

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I added to my notes, edith
Us Triumphant. She had only my father's

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pension, so she had to sell
up and we had to move to a

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smaller residence. Times were hard done, not so bad. The three of

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us were happier without him. My
father had two other children, Aloi and

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Angela, but they were much older, and though they lived with us when

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my father was alive, they did
not come with us after he died.

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You're being very forthcoming, hate off
and that's good. Now. How did

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life go after your father died?
Good? At first? Mother let me

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change schools. But after a while
I and went to Vienna to study art,

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and the mother got sick, and
he would turn her home to look

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after. You must have been disappointed
at having to interrupt your studies. You

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should. She'd found a lump,
you know, in one of her breasts,

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yeah, cancer, and the damned
doctor instructed me to tell her she

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needed surgery. I was seventeen.
Paula was too young to know anything.

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And how did that goal? And
awful? She had wounds, terrible stinking

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wounds that never healed. I got
a local woman to come in and help

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me with them. She had awful
pain, distressing for her and for her

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children. You and Paula. That
best. The doctor said he could do

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nothing further, he stopped coming.
We couldn't pay him. He still should

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have offered your mother medication. He
left a small bottle of tincture of opium.

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I wanted to put her out of
her misery. For an animal,

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you would have shot it, appoistoned
it, but I didn't. Do you

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regret that my mother was suffering.
She deserved release. Indeed she did,

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but she had to linger for a
year until she died in nineteen or seven,

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just before Christmas. That was our
Christmas present that year, Paula and

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me. The loss of your mother
must have been very hard to bear,

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Yes and no, for the reasons
I told you. Her biggest pension was

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allocated to us, but I signed
my share to Paula and went to Vienna.

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She spent the rest of her childhood
with some relative or the other.

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I had no interest in any of
them except Paula. But I couldn't keep

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it with me. And how did
you fare in Vienna? After mother's death,

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I grieved for a long time.
I was destitute and homeless. I

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tried to get into the Fine Arts
Institute, but they rejected me twice.

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They suggested I tried for architecture,
but they failed me too because I hadn't

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finished maths at school. And after
that I lived frugally and became vegetarian.

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I couldn't afford meat, and then
I went off it. I lived in

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shelters, tried to sell my drawings
to tourists as postcards. I spent a

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lot of time at the library.
I was warm, indivdu and I enjoyed

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beating European and military history. Whenever
I had a couple of shippings, I'd

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buy chocolate and cakes, a special
treat. In your distress. I can

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live on chocolate and pastries, my
favorite food, those and eggs. Did

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all your studying in the library help
you? Yes? I came to despise

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the remnants of Austria, Hungarianism and
the Habsburgs. Germany was my true destiny.

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Began to see that and to follow
that dream. Austria was bastardized,

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society impure. How old were you
by then? In my early twenties,

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around nineteen twelve, Yeah, that
same year they wanted to constrict me into

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the Austro Hungarian Army, but fortunately
I managed to fail their medical board.

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They said I was too small in
height and phyzike if only they could measure

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zego. He didn't want to be
in the army. The food would have

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been regular, not that army,
and not their kind of food. I

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moved them to Munich to get out
of Austria and to follow my German destiny.

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And then came nineteen fourteen, Yes, the glorious second of August,

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when Germany mobilized for war. Enough, I have much to do. We

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stopped for today. Doctor. As
he rose, he glanced at me with

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a twinkle in his eye. You
remember you once told me you had difficulties

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but women, Yes, are you
still unmarried? Not the a serious relationship.

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My relationship would till the florist when
she was based in Berlin. We

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would go to other concerts when she
was free, and visit each other at

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home. You hesitate. My work
keeps me busy. If I do have

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free time, I like to go
to concerts alone invariably. Do you have

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a favorite orchestra here in Berlin?
Oh, there are several. They're all

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good, the billion Philharmonic paps.
How could he know? How could he

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possibly know? Until the next then, and I've read this in mine Fuor.

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I shuddered at the thought of how
he had acquired this information Until next

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time? Doctor, Thank you you
forgot to castle. Your king is everything

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all right? Oh, it's nothing
really, just that I can get this

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feeling I'm being watched. It's difficult
in Burly in these days, their eyes

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everywhere, we all feel it.
But we're going to that fund raising concert

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tomorrow. It's a concert house.
Remember that should break in your spirit?

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Are you right, my darling.
I'm just getting too stressed with one of

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my patients. This stressed shep his
problem not Yes, you assume it's well,

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isn't. Its a matter of fact? It is good. I shouldn't

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like you to be getting so upset
over another woman, even if she was

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a patient. I'm glad to hear
you say that we finished last time.

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Madolf has Germany mobilized for war Ah
the glorious second of August nineteen fourteen.

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Yes, so then you did get
into the Bavarian regiment. Oh, I

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managed to get classified as tronomy.
That was an exemplary social twice decorated.

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But enough for that for a moment. Why is that you failed to answer

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my question to you last time?
And what was that concerning female relationship?

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I explained my workload precluded. Um. Now, doctor, I understand you

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have overcome your fear and avoidance our
female companionship. Huh isn't that the truth?

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And how would you know that?
One would think you'd be proud,

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not just any woman, but the
beautiful violinist, the fouline Matilda man life.

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Yes, I am proud, and
I suppose you would like to continue

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seeing her? I would good.
I think you should. He let that

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hang in the air, delighting in
the implication that the choices of my personal

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life required his approval. Delighting more
Perhaps that have flustered he'd made me to

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continue doctor. Yes, yes,
after your leg injury had some and then

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your second injury when you were temporarily
blinded at you pray in nineteen eighteen,

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that was not an injury. It
was a divine sign of my being chosen

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by providence just before the traitress betrayed
of the armistice by the Jews and the

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Communists. So then you stayed on
in the army. I was promoted as

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an intelligence officer to work with the
German Workers' Party, and that's how you

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entered politics. Of course, they
recognize my aratorical skills and my leadership quality.

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That you were just a corporal during
the war, you say, just

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but those imbssiles in charge had not
the wits to perceive my supreme abilities.

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But I showed them. I'm still
showing them, so I'll continue to do

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so until they all understand. Quite
so, you know you are skeptical.

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I'm prepared to hear you tell me
about it as we go forward in our

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sessions. What an honor you forget
yourself? Doctor, Perhaps you're a distracted

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today. Let's continue. Let's continue. You enjoyed your time and the army

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they were good years. The Truman
spirit was alive and strong among the men

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until they were betrayed. The soldiers
and the people were angry. What was

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needed then and now is for Trumany
to rise again, to throw off the

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shame and disaster. After Treaty of
Versailles, we gain our nation strength,

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cleanse it, and read ourselves after
draws in our midst expand our territory to

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give us room to grow pure and
strong. We need Laban's town. So

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your association with the Worker's Party was
the beginning of your political interest. It

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was to stop. But they were
a disorganized bunch. They lacked a true

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leader, but they could recognize one. So once I began to influence them

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and organize our protection, your brown
shirts the essay. We had to keep

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order and dissuade subversive elements. But
then I came up against serious opposition within

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the organization, and what did you
do? But only a man of my

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stature and intelligence would do. I
resigned and walked away. But I had

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my spies to keep me informed.
So what happened not The fools were in

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such disarray that when I reappeared,
they agreed implicitly to my terms, made

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me chairman throughout the opposition. And
then I turned that small group, the

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German's Workers Party, into the National
Socialist German Workers Party NASDAP that became the

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Nazi Party. And then in nineteen
twenty three we failed in an attempted arm

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coudita. They put me in jail. I told you about it years ago

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when we met in Munich. Oh
yeah, yeah, where you wrote my

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income. Once released, I was
able to get back to my NASDAP work.

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We started to run in elections.
Our gains were small to start with,

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but then came the depression. The
economy collapsed, unemployment rose, a

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hyperinflation, our numbers soared. We
gained the support of businessman, the middle

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class and the farmers, who were
all terrified of the Communists, whose support

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came from the unemployed industry of workers. By nineteen thirty two, we were

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a major party. In January that
year, President Hindenberg appointed me Chancellor head

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of the government. Then four weeks
later our opposition, the Communists, set

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fire to the rex Start building.
Are you sure it was the Communists?

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Of course it was them. Who
else could it have been? I was

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calm, at least outwardly. Yet
he was threatened by a simple question.

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For all his power, he was
still a little man. But it was

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to our advantage because it allowed for
stronger controlling measures to be and acted immediately.

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The President made the reichstead Fire Decree, of which all civil liberties were

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curtailed. We were able to arrest
and in turn members of the Communist Party.

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Then came the Enabling Act that gave
me a chancellor total control of legislation

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without reference to the Leichstag or the
President. In effect Germany who was now

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heading toward a dictatorship, with Hitler
as dictator and the President a mere puppet.

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What that made me, I didn't
know a trifle of the king to

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be discarded at his leisure. The
Reichstag ceased to be able to provide any

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opposition to the Nazi Party and as
a one party state, and with the

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aid of my public promotion officer Joseph
Gobaz did show me people could be aligned

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into one great force, all moving
in the same direction under my leadership.

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All I had to do then was
to eliminate the subversive elements and traitors within

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my own party and those among the
party troopers. Essay, my own guard

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the ass were given orders to do
away with a list of my opponents.

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The lining matter the night after long
knives, dead men cannot trouble him.

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A brutal and unlawful act. What
amnster a small man had become? How

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did that make you feel cleansed?
Do you think it was right? Right?

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It was necessary? And what was
the general reaction? But fortunately Hindenberg

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died within the month, and that's
saved me a lot of time and trouble.

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I abolished the office of president and
declared myself here extreme leader of Germany.

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No one was then in a position
to challenge my authority. You were

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more and more fortunate. No,
do you still not understand it's my destiny?

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It is preordained Megalomania is a mental
illness that causes a person to think

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they have great power and importance.
In his case, he had always thought

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that, and now the world had
aligned with his beliefs. Imagine a schizophrenic

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who who has delusions and hallucinations of
a giant bird, and then the giant

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bird appears in reality. What would
he do next? Following year nineteen twenty

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five, at our glorious Nuremberg,
really, I proclaimed the Nuremberg Laws,

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the laws that now defined those entitled
charming citizenship by purity of race. He

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was a child with a grenade,
and he had pulled the pin. My

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romance would till the floorist while each
of us sued our professional careers. Then

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came a time with the Berlin Philharmonic
Orchestra. I went on a tour and

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one of the stops of their eye
Tannery was my old home city of Stockholm,

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and that provided a perfect opportunity for
my parents to meet my sweetheart.

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So I traveled back to Sweden for
a few days. The concert was a

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resounding success, and the visit to
my family home not as much. I

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loved meeting your family. All of
it was the highlight of the hotel.

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But your mother doesn't seem to approve
of me. Check. My grandmother would

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have been worse. She barely accepted
my mother's position in the house. I

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do love you. Check again.
You saw her mother froze when you offered

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my grandfather your condolences. She figured
you had no place in doing such a

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thing. My first meeting so old
fashioned. Yes, and she practically had

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a stroke when I wanted to go
fishing with her. Men. Now you

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have it, Edipus and his mother. Checkmate. Oh, I despair to

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find topics that would not endanger my
life as I continue to treat my singular

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patient. Most men enjoy the company
of women. It seemed unlikely to be

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perceived as a threat by him.
It alf Let's explore something else. You're

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not married? Are you a man? If my status, my status cannot

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afford to be married. Think of
the position that they put me in,

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just one woman beside me, when
all of the femininity of Germany longs to

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be in my embrace and mine alone. No, No, I'm unmarried.

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Have you never been close to one
woman besides my mother? Yes? I

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prefer them to be young, young, on naive, not too serious like

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your sister Paula. Perhaps I was
uncle and guardianto my seventeen year old half

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niece Gary Rouble. She stayed with
me for a few years until the crazy

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girl shot herself nineteen thirty one.
She was twenty three. How did that

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affect you? I was disappointed.
You're very close. I kept her out

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of trouble. She shot herself with
my pistol. I even considered doing the

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same thing myself. I was so
distressed. You say you kept her out

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of trouble in what respect? Was
that? So she did not have to

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encounter men and their sordid ways?
Your relationship was platonic? Then? Are

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you not aware of Cherner's doctrine that
the man should remain celibate until twenty five

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and abstained from meat and alcohol.
No, oh, I have not heard

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that. I have proposed to carry
that directive further in my life. So

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Scherner has been instrumental in your social
and political evolution. Would you say he

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impressed me greatly in my student days
following the tragedy class, So you have

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niece Gaily, you remain without female
association apart from my photographic assistant and secretary.

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If a Brown I met her in
nineteen twenty nine. She was a

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seventeen year old assistant to photographer Heinrich
Hoffmann. Like the other one, she

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was young, on naive, and
after Gelly's suicide I saw more of ever,

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and she's now my personal secretary.
But she remains in the background.

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She has nothing to add to Nazi
business meetings. She's a loyal associate.

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I believe so. The Cilly Goose
also tried to suicide a couple of years

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ago. Can you believe it?
Short, I said, unsuccessfully in the

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chest with her father's pistol. First, I'm purity to get me to take

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her a more serious interest in her. She tried again with pills in nineteen

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thirty five for the same reason.
She's obviously more keen on a deeper relationship

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than you are. As I have
told you already, I cannot conceive of

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any such relationship, not in my
position as furer. My brain is not

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within my breeches. Huh you talk
much of women, doctor, Perhaps all

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that time with the fowline man life
and has begun to corrode your brain.

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Perhaps you'd spend too much time with
her. Are you teasing me? Am?

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I do I require your permission to
see her. Are you asking for

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it? This is your session,
not mine. I felt myself shake a

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bit and came flushed through my body
at my fear. One afternoon in nineteen

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thirty eight, as social conditions in
Germany continue to deteriorate rapidly, I received

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a visitor. I'm not seeing new
patients, sir, well, I'm not

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seeing two women at the same time, but don't tell either of them about

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it. With his hands on Italian
features of dark complexions, perfectly sculptured,

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strong Roman nose and chin, and
a rich stach of shiny black hair,

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the man looked more like a movie
star than my average patient, and certainly

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not German who likes doc. Let
me tell you who I am or what

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I want. I wish to discuss
certain things with you that do not relate

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to my psychological well being. All
right, go on. I'm American,

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obviously, but we're working in tandem
with a branch of British intelligence, who,

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it turns out, are well aware
of the developing situation here under Nazi

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Party rule, and who know of
your work from their pal Professor Freud,

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who now lives in exile in London. Is that a fact? Sure.

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Is it's true the situation here gets
worse day by day. Because I'm Swedish,

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I have no reservations about continuing this
consultation. Please go on, perfect.

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We're aware that you treat a certain
patient in whom we have a keen

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interest. I'm not saying I do. You don't need to. Then we'd

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like you to prepare a psychological profile
for us so we can develop counterintuitive measures

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in the event is wild actions lead
to a declaration of war, as seems

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to be the most likely outcome in
plain English, Dock, the Americans and

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the Brits want to know how we
can beat him, and you probably know

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him as well as anyone. I'm
not sure how professional illegal it would be

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for me to leading buster. The
longer crazy horse is at large, the

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worse for everyone. You'll kill you
eventually, like he does everyone else who

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hangs around him too long. You
know that unless you do something about it,

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we can set up another consultation in
a few days that you over your

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report. I haven't said yes.
You haven't said no either. To know

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your enemy, one must delve into
his psyche. Professor Freud taught me that

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I knew the choice I was making
this could only end with one of us

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